Steve1977 wrote:Jorn, Gaz tried to resolve this argument via PM away from the forum yet you chose to wash your dirty linen out in public and far from never getting upset on a forum, i then see a tirade aimed at me littered with swearing that even cites your divorce. Stating you'v had to self moderate your post too. Geeze, respect to your comments that you hate to not get along with people because Im exactly the same but then to seemingly do the opposite on the forum deters me from going to World Cups to be honest as I hate the possibility someones putting on a false facade. Lots of others feel this way too which is why when the going gets tough on the forum, so many people leave as they simply cant be arsed.
You write so much sense in this post Steve, so it surprises me that you have to say stuff that not true as well. Please, go back and re-read that post of mine and count the swear-words you find it littered with. The only reason it cites my divorce is to explain something to you. It would be nice if you'd take that into consideration. What it makes me feel now is that you think I've "used" it as an argument to win any emotions. I hope it's not, 'cause that's not the case. You wondered why I didn't approach you at the Athens WC, I explained why. All the swearwords I WANTED to write there, wich i selfmoderated, comes because that divorce is still a part of my life, pissing me off on a personal level. Sorry about that.
And, as I said earlier; Yes, Garry sent me a PM, but at the time I didn't find that PM very constructive from my point of view. Still don't. He told me what of my statements I had to retract to restore peace, 1 of the statements I have retracted, the other I can't. That's about it.
And as far as using the PM-system to make things better is obviously a joke. Yesterday I sent a PM to JamK, wich he hasn't bothered to answer, other then adding a further paragraph to his post. What I wanted to point out was that I didn't start this thread "knowing" it would "kick up a shit storm", and I don't think I'm taking "the morale high ground".
1 - I can't know what's gonna kick up a shit storm and not. The reason for me starting this thread was that there allready was a discussion going on in the tournaments-section, and as I wasn't going to the WC I felt it wrong to post there, yet I wanted to air my thoughts about this, as I felt that there was a couple of things I find important wich wasn't being taken into consideration. And as you can see, in the beginning this thread was actually quite good, with Steve Camber giving valuable insight. It all changed when I asked you to tone it down. Maybe I was in the wrong there, as you said, I totally misunderstood your post. But maybe you also misunderstood my request of you toning it down. I've said so before, and I'll say it again: it was the first line of your post I reacted to, where it can be seen as you're not accepting BB to have a say. I probably should've explained that better at once.
2 - about morale high ground. I don't know. It's just not amusing having this thread at all. What I wanted to was to air my views, not end up in a total war. When I come to the point where the first thing I think about when I wake up in the morning is that I have to hook up and check the forums to see if I'm still "fighting", then it's taking a too big bite of my life. I don't think it's about morale high ground, it's about a priority.
You seem insistent on focusing on Gaz using capital letters
Yes. I am. Using captial letters can be looked at as MAKING A POINT. It can also be looked at as yelling. When using letters this size it's like yelling into someones face!!! See my point? Having someone yelling in your face is not an experience making you wanna say "oh, sorry. Can we be friends now?"
Imagine if 1 day after there had been comments from the other side of the fence eh? This would have riled up lots of people and wouldnt have been healthy, just as this thread has shown.
See where you're coming from, but don't think there would be any less fighting about this topic anyway, whenever it would've been opened. As you say, it's a powder keg. Besides, as I said, look at the beginning of this thread. Read the first page. It's not about fighthing. Not at all. It's about discussing a topic, with Camber offering valuable insight.
However, I'd like you to do just one thing for me. You're blaming me for "enjoying these heated exchanges" as if I'm deliberately causing a stir. You brought up insidents dating over 3 years back, trying to make me look like a unfriendly trouble-maker. From my perspective, we are 2 sides here, it's me "against" you, Garry and Simon. You want me to retract and admit to this and that. What about yourselves? Have you done everything right?
The rest of your post is perfectly fine, and I agree to much of it, if not all.