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Postby MJB » Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:13 pm

I really do not need to make any comment on the pathetic writings of my elder brother.
Indeed if what he said was in anyway the truth, he wouldn't of mentioned Wednesday...

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Postby MJB » Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:14 pm

Robert is it the dreaded lob from the half way line?
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Postby VKafiris » Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:16 pm

Hey Robert, could you tell us what's mr Lockerbie's secret? What makes it so unstoppable? I'm eager to hear about this!
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Postby Robert Swift » Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:26 pm

No, that's what I do back to him when it really annoys me.

The 'stock' goal is a diagonal cross with a swerved volley from the centre forward. Keepers tend to jump out of the way.

If the ball is delivered down the centre, you can stop it with R.Cox. However, when delivered from the wing (box 7 or 9 in Player Manager, if you know what I mean) there is a deficiency in the defualt tactics where the opposing number 10 (if he uses 4-2-4) gets in behind the defending 5. This means it is impossible to intercept the pass and it's all down to whether he gets it on target.

Also, in the default teams/tactics, A.Lindsey and R.Curtis are the weakest players and not positioned correctly to stop him making the initial cross. I have designed teams and tactics that cope with this easily, but they are not available.

The only option is to out-score him, but unfortunately my normal style of play is based on a very tight defence (I just HATE conceding goals) and a small number of really quality goals. I'm gonna have to change to a barrage of lobs which won't endear me to anybody.

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Postby MJB » Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:33 pm

......oh that one......never seen that before....

The skill in making a successful connection to a good cross is good to see I think.
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Postby VKafiris » Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:37 pm

I see what you mean, but you can actually stop this if you switch to no5 everytime the ball reaches near your penalty area. If he manages to escape with the ball, tackle him down. At least he won't get a chance to shoot the ball. If he's in the penalty area, tackle again! It's more likely that the ball will just roll out for a corner kick.
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Postby MJB » Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:43 pm

Vasilis you make it sound so easy.
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Postby Robert Swift » Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:47 pm

Martin, you are correct - it is very skilful to get it right every time like he does. That's what makes it really annoying. It looks really impressive the first few times but it quickly becomes frustrating when he gets into his tempo and it's impossible to stop him.

Vas, you are right, but the 10 starts with about 20cm screen headstart on the number 5. Also, the problem is that the ball travels over another player (the 6 or <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif"> on its way into the box. The computer switches control to this player temporarily, as the ball goes over his head. This means you only get control of the 5 at the last moment. It's much easier for the attacker, as control switches to 10 straight away and you can run him into scoring position.

I never slide tackle in the box. I'd sooner take my chances than face a penalty.
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Postby VKafiris » Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:54 pm

Hmmm...when the ball crosses over your no6, direct the stick to the attack area, not defense, until you lose control over him. That will take you about 0,5 sec to accompilsh. Then, direct the joystick to the defense, presuming that you should control no5 by now. I think that should do fine. Try this out.
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Postby Robert Swift » Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:30 pm

Vas's suggestion works fine on paper, not on the screen. If you run the 6 or 8 out, then as control changes to the 5, you are running HIM out of the box. Unless you time the direction change perfectly, with computer-like precision, you are only ending up further behind the number 10. The best you can hope for is to release the joystick then pick up the 5 as soon as he's visible with the black underline.

I have a custom tactic where a defender stands in exactly the right place to head the ball away, and there's no-one positioned in the ball flight so you get control very early and can run him into defensive position.

Every goal that anyone scores can be stopped by tactic design. This usually leaves a weakness somewhere else. My tactic has had ten years of refinement and is fairly balanced to counter all threats (plus score goals that are impossible with normal tactics). Playing with 4-2-4 again fills me with a sense of dread as the 'sweeper' is just way too far forward, and the 'back door' is effectively open. Also, I need to adjust to exploiting this weakness, as I'm used to someone being there to stop me.
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Postby Steve Camber » Tue Oct 30, 2001 3:39 pm

Looking forward to taking you on, Swifty !

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Postby JamesHBeard » Tue Oct 30, 2001 4:34 pm

Steve I remember putting a fair few past that SLOOOWWWWWWW number 5 of yours.. <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif">
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Postby Steve Camber » Tue Oct 30, 2001 4:43 pm

Nothing slow about the back dude.. only after you've broken his legs a few times with your dirty play I suppose !
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