London International - Results & post-tournament discussion

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Re: London International - Results & post-tournament discussion

Postby Logos » Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:39 am

dnielsen wrote:but rather that I have not had the chance to participate in more informal "practice and enjoy" sessions like the one I had with Nick, John, and Jacob the day after the last Copenhagen tournament, or with Rayge and Andy online. 10 games against the same opponent where you really get under the skin of the other guy really adds to the depth of the game. :-)


Yeah, I agree, several games against the same opponent, (like a best of 10), is great fun!

My personal experience of these online 'practice and enjoy' sessions is that it leads to a swift increase in KO2 skill levels as you learn new things from each others play.
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Re: London International - Results & post-tournament discussion

Postby Robert Swift » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:04 pm

Finally I can get near a computer with time to type something. It seems I have this opportunity only at work....

This will have to be in summary form, due to lack of time.

Pre-tournament Events - Really enjoyed my 2 days' holiday with the Milanese. Even if Gianni is the slowest man in the universe. ANDIAMO GIANNI! I think everyone had fun even if the 5 mile hill walking caught Alessandro and Valentina unprepared (be careful Alessandro!) and there were some unintended slides. I am happy to do this tour again if you want to see more of the Real England; next time we can maybe go to the Lake District. Sorry about the cazzo di frega but it is winter here and we got some nice pictures in the snow and ice. Also I've been very content eating MC's cookies and drinking espresso. I hope that mini bites will soon make their way into Italian shops. They seemed to be popular.

Friday Night - Strangely, when Panayotis arrived an hour late at 11.30pm, it was not time to go out to a restaurant, in a large group, for dinner and beers, followed by playing friendlies until 4am. I think he didn't take too kindly to the instruction to go to bed, and also the discovery that the bed would also have John Hogstrom on it.....plus this all seemed to be a surprise and a disappointment. "I don't read the forum" he said, which resulted in a brief verbal punishment from myself (for which I apologized the next morning). John and Panayotis found great pleasure in winding me up; but about 1am when I was still running around collecting equipment and loading/unloading the car, I think they started to realize just how much I had to do. Next morning and next day they were both very helpful.

Tournament morning - Everything went to plan and we got a good selection of food. Panayotis was very happy to be in charge of food, and John very happy to be in charge of money! Miraculously I had managed to get 9 Amigas set up in the room (and maybe even 10 was theoretically possible) making this a really useful room, that has not seen its last ever KO2 tournament... Everyone did their duty and turned up on time, except for the mysteriously absent Martin Beard. James was furious and this seemed to run into his first few games which he lost and complained he wanted to go home. Luckily the (famously brittle) Beard morale seemed to recover and he enjoyed the rest of the day. Despite us all keeping to the 10am start, the Amiga that Panayotis and I were using developed a fault immediately and had to be replaced; all the Amigas that replaced it seemed to have problems of their own, as well, so eventually we were down to 8 Amigas.

Tournament afternoon - We seemed to be running a bit late after 12pm and it appeared my worst fears (about missing real football) might be recognized. But then, after shouting at people a lot about "empty amigas" (Andy H/E suggested I just get a t-shirt saying EMPTY AMIGAS) it appeared that people got the idea and kept the games moving nicely. By 4pm we were on target and by 6pm we had finished a little ahead. What's better was that people took their food breaks intelligently and the speed of games was unaffected. I don't suggest that every tournament is run like this with 24 matches and the sense of hurry, but it shows that the plan was possible and I think it's a great achievement for all of us. I even had time to resolve an issue of the hotel overcharging Dagh for an invisible person in his room (sorry Thorsten for the interruption this caused in your game with Glenn).

Tournament Matches - Only three notable ones for me that went against expectations. First, a win over John H. These are always pleasant. After he'd predicted me in 12th and him in 4th, it was great to beat him and finish adjacent in the table. Second, 6-5 loss to Simon K from a keeper fumble on kick off routine in the last second of injury time. Yes, it was as bad as it sounds. Simon is already one of the moaniest KO2 players I know, always complaining about his bad luck, so hopefully this will teach him to count his blessings! Third standout result is the loss to Andy G. It reminded me of a game I had last year in Milan with Luca F - new opponent, totally underestimated him, and found myself leaking 7 goals without adequate response. Next time I play him (and I hope it's soon) I will require a completely different approach and a better attitude than the one that I should play my normal game and beat him just because he's new, normally plays online, and has a borrowed joystick... no doubt about it, he's a good player. These are the three standout games and pretty well everything else went with the rankings. Draws with Steve Evil and Alessandro felt like a point each gained, given their form. Overall, it seemed I had my harder opposition loaded onto the first half of the day, plus all my team B games first, so I didn't pay attention to the table until late on. The final run in was very satisfying with 6 straight wins and tough 3-2 wins ground out over Garry and James, allowing me to catch a reasonable 10th place from James but not quite catch John in 9th. I think that if I had been on my 'best' best/top form then it might have been possible to finish higher but given the quality of opponent, even finishing 10th is good. It's very rare that I finish so low down a table - don't think I have ever been 10th in any league - and this says a lot about the quality of this tournament. Especially when competent players like the Andy's are beaten black and blue with just a couple of wins apiece. Congrats to Dagh on his win, of course; I didn't see the game as I had started to clear up. :oops:

Real football - It was very hard to find this location and only a phone call and an Italian TomTom got us there at all. The game was fun and we got a full 90 minutes (or at least it felt like it the next day!) England were a lot better than normal, but then so were ROW who paraded their new signings, Klaus and Gleninho. Although Will got 4 goals for us, Glenn scored at least 10 back. I really enjoyed the level of violence in this game....it was more like Speedball 2! And what's nicer is that nobody had a loss of cool or argument.... everyone took the physical side in a nice KO2 community spirit.

Meal - Great to meet up with everybody - again it's a relief that everyone found the location (sorry that all the roads in Luton were CLOSED since I researched and planned this tournament). The Beefeater seemed a good choice and everybody had more food than they could eat. Nice to catch up better with Pedro and Alex. Great to finally see Pedrophile at a tournament along with his really nice and friendly family. Hopefully this isn't the last....

Sunday - Panayotis went to see Sherlock Holmes and John read his book so this gave me the 3 hours I needed to begin the clear-up and unpacking of cars and washing of clothes/towels..... there is always a huge domestic mess caused by these things. Evening was really nice with a meal in the local pub, some beers, and then an excellent 3-way friendly tournament running to 3am: Result; Robert 6 wins, Panayotis 6 wins, John 4 wins. Great to get two wins in penalty shootouts. :-) I think the other two really enjoyed these friendlies too, and hopefully Panayotis understands now why this food/friendly combination was possible on Sunday pm after the tournament and not 11.30pm on Friday the night before getting up at 7.50am to start the event.

Conclusion - This was incredibly draining but the satisfaction of bringing everyone together was worth it. Great to see Pedro make his debut and to see Klaus/Glenn make their return. Now I look forward to attending some plug-and-play tournaments that will (hopefully) be Milan International, UKC (hopefully organized by KOBRA), and the World Cup (probably in Austria). I am not sure that a London Tournament of this size can be an annual event; it was 60% of the work of organizing a World Cup and I still want to make sure that everyone prioritizes the World Cup - I don't want this tournament to reduce or distract attendance from that AT ALL - the opposite, I would like it to help increase interest and participation in travelling to play KO2.
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Re: London International - Results & post-tournament discussion

Postby gdh82 » Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:26 pm

Panayotis7 wrote:Overall this game is probably in the Top 5 of the "I feel fucking helpless, when's the fucking ref gonna blow the whistle" games for me.


Nicely put! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I know that feeling only too well, and against many more opponents as well! :yikes:
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Re: London International - Results & post-tournament discussion

Postby gdh82 » Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:35 pm

Torchiador wrote:There are many players who can say "I was leading the game with Gianni", no one can say the same about Dagh. He showed a very good roadholding even in the hardest bends of the KOA.


Great metaphor! 8) Love to hear such respect among players - gives champions even more class in my book.
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Re: London International - Results & post-tournament discussion

Postby gdh82 » Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:40 pm

dnielsen wrote: Incidentally, this is probably one thing that is so attractive about Kick Off: Even though the game is confined to a rectangular field and 8 directions and seemingly endless repetitions of various moves, it is always possible to think of even better or at least alternative approaches or decisions in practically every spot on the pitch. Once a dynamic between two players is added, the game becomes practically infinite in its challenges.


I find this open minded, versatile perspective on KO2 so inspiring. I'm sure thinking this way, remaining open to new possibilities helps give the great game such longevity too. 8)

Found your comments about joysticks and your own KO2 history very interesting too, Dagh.
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Re: London International - Results & post-tournament discussion

Postby dnielsen » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:44 pm

Binary wrote:I confess I don't remember - which joystick is this?


There is a picture of it in this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arcade_(joystick)

Klaus Loiten also used it in London. I do not use the top button, but the one in front, don't know about Klaus.
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Re: London International - Results & post-tournament discussion

Postby _glenn » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:56 pm

klaus also use the button in front, the one on the top is broken...
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Re: London International - Results & post-tournament discussion

Postby Panayotis7 » Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:24 pm

Robert Swift wrote:Friday Night - Strangely, when Panayotis arrived an hour late at 11.30pm, it was not time to go out to a restaurant, in a large group, for dinner and beers, followed by playing friendlies until 4am.

It didn't have to be a large group! Plus, I was spoiled after my visit to Milan, where Gianni was all too happy for Friday nighttime friendlies!

I think he didn't take too kindly to the instruction to go to bed, and also the discovery that the bed would also have John Hogstrom on it

Well, I was told I would be sharing a bed with a Swede, but it turned out it was the wrong gender... :shock:

John and Panayotis found great pleasure in winding me up

Well, what can I say, it was fun! Plus, all worked out flawlessly the next day so I felt no guilt about it!

I really enjoyed the level of violence in this game....it was more like Speedball 2! And what's nicer is that nobody had a loss of cool or argument.... everyone took the physical side in a nice KO2 community spirit.

I enjoyed the violence too, but next time that Klaus will be on the opposing team I will first get some practice by running against a brick wall a few times...!

I think the other two really enjoyed these friendlies too

Absolutely. The final night relaxed food and after hours friendlies is part of the whole thing and I always look forward to it, which is why my plans will always be to leave on Monday
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Re: London International - Results & post-tournament discussion

Postby Torchiador » Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:17 pm

manicx wrote:
Torchiador wrote:In 4 years of international class tournaments, it is the first time that I don't win an international tournament...


I still remember the London Marathon... That was close! But I used to play KO2 well back then :cry: ....

You are right my friend, we had a draw at the last game probably 3-3 and I won the tournament due to goal difference (we had the same points), it is happened the same at the Milan International, I won thanks to my goal difference over Mario as well.
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Re: London International - Results & post-tournament discussion

Postby Torchiador » Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:42 pm

Robert Swift wrote:Gleninho
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Glenn has been the dominator of the arena!

LOL to "fa un cazzo di freddo" :lol: in truth we are used to say it as it is a quote of a famous movie! Don't worry Robert, it is winter in Italy as well!
Damn, one week ago we were in your car moving towards Yorkshire, and now I'm in my room :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
I have to speak with the Holy Shield to raise my low level of morale...
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Re: London International - Results & post-tournament discussion

Postby Semtex » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:28 pm

Just popping in to say hello, again!
Great to meet up with everyone, even just to say hello. Was good to see some action as well. Robert has learnt to control his emotions better, was amazed he managed to beat Jim in that final game, although I enjoyed his screaming at the ref for the final minute :lol:
Dagh is another incredible player. Like Gianni it doesn't seem anything special but damned if I can reproduce it. With Gianluca I can see some of what he does but mostly don't get it... Great that another top player is a top bloke too.
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Re: London International - Results & post-tournament discussion

Postby dnielsen » Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:20 am

OMG, Pedro!!!

Binary wrote:
On 2001-12-17 23:50, alkis21 wrote:
I think joysticks like the ones Vasilis and I played with are 100% Kick Off quality.


I've heard a lot about these joysticks but still don't know which ones they are. Can you please tell me their names and/or send me a pic of them?

Also, are they Commodore only, or one of those Commodore/Atari/MSX/Sega combos?


viewtopic.php?f=12&t=586&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=13

And you are still asking which joystick to use!!! Can you please please PLEASE make up your mind soon and start practicing for the next tournament!

PS. Get an Amiga too!
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Re: London International - Results & post-tournament discussion

Postby dnielsen » Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:12 am

I should add a funny bit from my game vs. John H:

John had possession of the ball in his left defense and began to dribble. I chased him with one, then another player, but he just kept twisting and turning, leaving my chasing players far behind. He soon ended up near the center of the pitch with none of my players anywhere close. In fact, he was right at the edge of the mid-circle, and once there, it seemed like he might as well do a KO-lob. It went nicely into the net above my keeper. This was shortly after we had both been KO-lobbed to death by Sandro. We just gave each other that "yeah, I know" smile. If we had not been so tired and Nordic, I am sure we would have burst out laughing or swearing in Italian.
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