Re: Greece: Will this nightmare ever end?
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:03 am
Tripod wrote:Name one deveoped country that doesn't belong to your group of big spenders.
Sweden? Iceland? Estonia?
Some countries can get away with it due to natural resources they own, or else they'd be bankrupt by now (Norway)
Tripod wrote:On the other hand, free market capitalism has also turned out to be a bitch and needs to be regulated in so many ways.
And this is so wrong in so many ways. Free market capitalism (?!) was never a bitch. Excessive regulation was. The problem wasn't that a few banks and financial institutions went bankrupt. The problem was that governments moved in to save them, using taxpayers money.
And you can ask, how did some financial institutions get so powerful that their crash could have such a ripple effect? And I'll answer you with a question: when was the last time YOU checked what YOUR bank does with YOUR money? That's right, nobody knows, nobody cares. People just go for the ones with highest interest rates and lowest maintenance charges.
I defend the liberty of individuals. If people are dumb enough to put money in banks that have dubious investments, that's their choice, and their consequence - not everyone else's.
Tripod wrote:We are not starting from scratch, governments have already piled up debts they are supposed to pay back at some point, have promised pensions which would hurt too much if you slashed them entirely so raising tax income has to be part of the agenda. And personally I'm all for very high marginal tax rates for high incomes, up to 90%, no problem. Nobody earns millions per year - while the average wage is at 25.000 Euros/year (in Germany) - because they are that good, no,
Jesus H. Christ bro, this is so wrong in so many ways. Want to "tax the rich" at 90%? I thought only the "Syrizas" out there thought this way. Of course, why make people responsible for their own money while governments can tax tax tax tax TAX their way out of the mess they made? And what about Laffer's Curve? And what about motivating the high incomes, who also create jobs, to STAY in the country?
Tripod wrote:they live in a fucked up (lottery) system that allows a few to get very rich on the backs of everybody else.
Are these "rich people" gaining their money illegally?
If YES prosecute them and try them and put them in jail
If NOT leave them alone. It's a free market out there last time I checked
Tripod wrote:I see no good argument preventing the rest of us from taking most of that money back and redistributing it to those who have next to nothing.
I'd feel really terrible if someone came to me and said: "hey there, take some money, we robbed a "rich man" and are redistributing the wealth he had". There's only one word for it: theft. Robbery.
What is this, CE now stands for Communist Europe or something?